JH+Federal+system

Homework for 11/29 on views for Junior High Gov. If we did have a Junior High Government, I would just want more of a Confederate system. One where all of the classes would come together on certain subjects, but would not be connected in the sense of constitutions. Some examples of subjects are events, big social problems, etc. Some people could be elected to hold this meeting from each class, and to keep order. This would make the Junior High connected in some way, but would reduce problems about time and still keep the classes connected in some way. I know that the Articles of Confederation did not work out, and that our Junior High is not a whole country. If it were these ideas would be more precise, but that's not all my life and the tiny two years of Junior High politics is not really what my mind is focused on. If we did have a federal government I would prefer parliamentry, but I am anti-federalist. I don't want this "grand idea" that seems too far over the horizon. What about the classes that don't have a court system? They might or might not agree to whatever big government people decide. On top of that were in Junior High dealing with problems other than trying to make Junior High even more complicated. Junior High was a big step for me, so what about the people after us? Are we trying to make adult parts of life be faster in our lives? Personally, I want to enjoy all the years I have so far, without having to deal with politics. You can say I'm lazy and that I don't have much gumption, but I have way more things to think about than an idea to get a bunch of teenagers to come together and run themselves. To me it'll be Lord of the Flies all over again. People have to survive Junior High without politics, why add on top of that? ~Hoaxmoon~ ~or~ ~BurkJeom~

people must have determination. Something that I lack, so if like me people are thinking about other things and other subjects rather than politics of Junior High many people will not participate. So, you could call me a bystander on this subject because I just want to continue doing what I'm doing, which is surviving junior high already. If what people come up with I agree with I'll continue on, and if they don't I'll live. In real life (not our court system) you have to live with things you don't like sometimes. It would be great and all, but I have my doubts. &gt;:D ~Hoaxmoon~ Burkjeom

i have 3 different ideas. the one that i think will work the most is the 2nd one. why i say that is because it is almost a federal system and it is almost not like a federal system. i think more people would like it because half of the people in the class would want it and half doesnt almost.

1. I think we should have a federal system and that we shouldn't. If we do then i say we should vote for 2 people for atleast 2 weeks(keep in mind it can me any sex and any age in the junior high). Then we would vote again the next week and see if we should keep those two kind of in head or vote for two other people. Those two people would not be the head head they would just be the most powerful. The other people will be just like their regular jobs. Their would be a CO in every class and their would be atleast one person from every class to be one of the jobs, so you wouldnt have some many people running up to the person. Also the congress would be a HUGE congress. atleast 2 peoplle from each class and they would work out the bills and try to make the court system better. If that idea did not work than i would stay with the class goverment. 2. if we stayed with the class constitution then i would add that you can charge anybody in the junior high. Everybody would have the same constitution and same jobs or different it doesnt matter. i say that because you could be your trueself and you can charg someoneso they dont get away withthe thing that they did. this idea does not mean that you would have to read your speech to everybodyin the junior high( i know some people would not want to). Just to sumirize this up i am saying that everybody in the junior high would have the same constitution and aply to the same laws. That means that you could charge anybody in the junior high. Saying that everybody could be their trueself and you can charge everybody if you want. Why i am saying this is that some people can do something and you want to charge them but you cant right now. Now you can if we agree with this idea. 3. My other idea is that we should have the samething Oman did at his boarding school. You would have to sign a paper of the ohner system. onlyu that you would have to would have to bring the defendant witnesses and the plaintiff. If someone does not want to show up then they do not have to it is their choice.If someone did not agree with the ohner system then that person and the other people would either have their own goverment or they would just not have a goverment. it is their discison. My only dought with this thought is that it would be really confuzing and have a lot of chaos!

i have 3 different thoughts but the one that i would want is confederate and federal. -acbaby

I am in between. People can get away with stuff and we can't do anything about it. The federalist system would change a lot. But the current system is better because I think some people feel better opening up to a smaller group. JH

I think that there should be a whole constitution for the whole junior high. There is a lot of people that can get away with stuff just because they are not in your class. They don't have to be in your class to charge if we get a Constitution for the whole junior high. The constitution for the whole junior high will make a big difference. Nobody will do anything that they are supposed to not to in another class. We can put the constitution in the commons and inform people about it. That will stop all of the contraversy. More people will not try to take advanage of people in another class. Some people sometimes come in and break laws on perpose. If there is a constitution for the whole junior high it will stop all of the problems and arguments. We can select people with court jobs and act like a real court. The court can be optional and everyone don't have to do iy. Who ever perticipates will have to study the court jobs if they are going to run for one/perticipate. Each person in the junior high will have to come up with at least one law and we will agree if that should be in the constitution or not. If we didn't have a federialist sytem I would recommend unity because everyone is together and they will support you no matter what. ~*Nate basketball jeom~*

I think having a federal court system is a good idea if it only applies to big laws like the trust law, not laws like the put down law. I think each class should elect one representative and one assistant representative to help the representative take notes to keep track of what the class wants. The assistant representative would have a say in the meetings but only representatives could vote,or they could create a new constitution that applied to all classes.I think we should have a unitary government but with several leaders.I also think we should have a parliamentary government. If we did it that way there would be no confution about laws between classes and would allow us to elect new leaders so there would be no power problems. HKBJEOM

I think that there should be like 4 reps from each class chosen by the class and they can be the congress and they can make the laws for the whole jh but then those 4 reps can make the laws for their own class -Chris13JeOm-

I think that there should be laws for the entire junior high system that everyone follows, and seperate smaller constitutions for each class for lesser charges.

If we had a federal court system, I would want a Unitary goverment, because that way, there would be no confusion of if you can charge with this law here, or if whoever you're charging even has the same laws as you do. I would also like a presidential executive relationship, because then the legislatives and the executive would be more equal in power then if there was a parlimentary goverment where the Legislatives think up the laws, but the executive gets to actually put them in effect by his/her vote, which, in my opinion, seems a much easier and more powerful job then the legislatives. I am a federalist.

-* SMC*-(sabjeom )

I'm not really sure what type of GOV I would want for the JH, but I would most likely want a federal government, with representatives changing whenever they fail to meet the classes standards. My idea was that each class would have two representatives for the federal court; two 7th graders, and two 8th graders, like the class managers. Once a week the class representatives would meet as a group to discuss issues and such. They can also order conferences as needed. There would be no separate constitution, but you would charge someone with whatever law fits your situation in your class constitution, and a section would be added to your class constitution about the federal system. All cases would go to the representatives, and they would notify any defendants in other classes by the end of the week. The defendant would follow the constitution of the plaintiff's class, and all class constitutions would be posted in the commons for everyone to read. The representatives would conduct and take votes on any federal decisions, where they would be discussed at the representatives meeting, then adding to each class like a law. The representatives could be impeached at ANY time, as long as fills out a charge sheet with the appropriate law, then there would be a vote at the same time. No speeches. You stand up and give a legitimate speech, but not a written one. -Moriah

I personally favor the federal system over the others. I like the federal system because the people have more say than in any other system. This is important because by giving everyone(over 18) the power to elect their leaders the person in office is most likely serving the needs of the people. I also like it because of the system of checks and balances which distributes power and opinion throughout the three branches of government. -the MAXter-(max w)

I definitely think there should be class reps. voted by their own class but i also think there should be someone with more power(like a president) and that the class reps. would be more like a congress. maybe even people who monitor how everything is going so there would be three branches(like in our government) that could check and balance each other. -the MAXter-(max w)

I think we should have..,

1)class reps-2 from each class, handle problems in the system(impeachment, bills etc.) 2)president/ruler-keeps things organized and becomes a class rep when bills are being made so it all gets done at one place and there doesn't have to be another meeting with the president(also it make an odd number of people. 3)checks and balances-it gives everyone(in some power) the chance to put in their opinion and it also can correct errors in the system. -the MAXter-(max w)

Revised I have changed my opinion slightly since hearing the class discussion and Oman's system from boarding school. I feel we would need to have things in fair amount of detail for things to work correctly and not have arguments. I liked the idea from Oman about the disciplinary committee that could also be like PEO's. I think if we have jobs there should not be one person holding that position but a group of people who make decisions as a whole entire group. The one thing I am still worried about is having the popular people running the system. I don't think we should have a president but maybe a group of people who are higher up in the system who oversee things working correctly. I am still a little hesitant about having the whole system and think that if we have a federalist government it would be much harder to have separate class constitutions and was confused on that would work. --Ray---

I think that there should be one huge class voting in the junior high every 8 weeks. overall, there would be 9 people that were voted by everyone, not by majority, but by the sysyem that if over 65% of everyone voted for person A, they would get the job. A whole Junior High meeting would be every 1 week, on monday, where they would decide if they should have the re-vote now (if they were incredibly un-happy with the jobs people were doing). there would be no one with "supreme power," so ideas would pass through multiple people. this &amp;congress" would make ALL decisions, but since there would be new minds flowing through every 8 weeks or less, it would still be fair. In "congress" majority rules. On the other subject, I am totally federalist. I think that the junior high would benefit positively from this type of government. I am fine with any type of government listed, as long as the majority of people agrees with it. I don't think that it needs much explaining. -Max J-

This is what I was going to say, but didn't have the chance to because I wasn't called on. People are used to the way things are. Junior High at Paideia has been pretty much the same for a long, long time. If we change the whole entire court system, most people won't be happy. People have taken the time to study what we all ready have and most peopl like it. Sure, we could use a couple more laws, but nothing is ever perfect. We could add a law that allows outer class charging. I think that if we did make a law like that, that the other classes would have to agree to participate. If the other classes don't agree with the law then it won't be passed. That's the problem, disgreeing. If indeed we do write the JH constitution it will take forever to write. First we would have to pick a rep. for each class to write. Then it would probably take another 8 months to write it because people would disagree on the set of laws. I know that at no point in time everyone will be happy, but for the people who don't even want a new constitution they won't be happy with anything. +maddie+ I think we should not have a federalist goverment, because I think its very difficult to trust to whole grades. If we do have a federalist goverment, I think each class should vote there top 5 laws and copy and paste them onto our JH constitution. And we would ratify it. If we do try to have a federalist goverment, I definitley think we should do that. But only if we do try to get a federalist goverment. But I strongly wish we do not have a federelist goverment and keep it the way it is. For two reasons, I personally couldn't trust the whole JH and I think it wouldn't make JH better. I'm not saying it will make JH worse, but not better either. FABULOUS ERIN! Unitary, because I think it would there wouldn't be as much chaos if we were all under the same laws and constitution, instead of having seperate groups, because that's just like being seperated as classes and it won't make that much of a difference if we seperate. I think it would be also more fair if we were all under the same constitution and laws. I think JH just needs one central goverment just like Unitary. ~ErIn

MBerry9534 says : I personally think, despite what some of my classmates have had to say, I think that the Federal System is a somewhat good idea, but I think that if we were to do something like that, we'd to tweak A LOT to fit the way of the Junior High. Personally, however, from my experience so far in Jr. High, I just DO NOT see the divide between people in the Jr. High coming together. I just DO NOT think that it can happen with the people that we are laying this on the table to. I just don't think enough people are responsible, ready or willing enough to handle something serious like a giant federal system applying to everybody in the Jr. High. Not to be pessimistic, but I don't think that this would work. I strongly dissagree with the thought of trying to govern the entire Junior High with one constitution. I understand that the colonies didn't work until they united together and all that stuff, but they had something that we as a Junior High do not. They all had the same things in mind- release from England. There are too many people in the Junior High that have COMPLETELY different views and thoughts than others, and overall, there are just too many differnt types of people, and sadly, the majority of them will NOT take the constitution seriously. THEY JUST WON'T, and that's just the real truth :-( -*MBerry9534*- (MaLeaJEOM) :-)

Oh yeah, I just remembered; I DEFINITELY am totally 100% AGAINST having representitives from each class, because like I said in our class discussion, there is no such thing as TRUE fairness. No matter what, someone is gonna do something wrong. I know that sounds really horrible, but it's true. As much as we may want to trust the people we elect, we truly can't. FAVORTISM is the name of the game, and even when you think about the corporate world in which our parents now live in, there's too much butt-kissing and "My-brother's-cousin's-sister's-aunt's-bestfriend" type of thing. (FAVORTISM, and WHO KNOWS WHO). Even my mother has told me how even at her job, nothing is ever truly about fairness, and that makes difficuly things even more difficult and even more of a burden. Which is why I say we shouldn't give ourselves any more trouble, because that's what it's ultimately gonna come down to. If we have enough problems now, try magnifying that by five classes. 100problems per class x 5 classes= COMPLETE and UTTER CHAOS- Few problems are solved, many are created. And there is always someone that is unhappy, and if someone who is against this idea had to get dragged into the system, how is their Jr. High experience going to turn out? Yes, we need to learn to settle things ourselves, and stop relying on adults as much, but I personally just don't think that this giant federal system is the way to go about it. It seems more that responsibility is bing forced on us. That may teach a few people, but not many. But in the real world, for example, there's no "put down law" U can't go to the police every time people call you a name. YOU have to deal with that, without using our country's constitution right? Right. That's all I really have to say @ this point. If I have any more feelings on this subject, trust me you'll be able to read it. -*MBerry9534*-(MaLeaJEOM)

1) If we do have to have a Federal system, I'd want us to have a unitary government, because what we have now is obviously not working in the best interests of the jr. high students. If everyone had to follow the same rules, we wouldn't have as much confusion between classes and each other. Especially, with the classes that charge people for things that the defendant is not even aware of. (What I mean by this is, if Sabrina charges someone in another class with a law from our constitution that they had no knowledge of, that person would feel cheated and they wouldn't feel that they were treateds fairly.) That is not what we as a people of jr. high want. 2) I think that I would personaly like an parliamentry, because that way we would be able to take a certain amount of control over who is controlling us. (However, I still don't agree with the idea of being ruled by those who I feel are incompetenet, just because they were voted for by the majority of the jr. high, because they are well-liked. -Mberry95